OMC Petition

[The Youngsta]

Hey guys, how many times have we said Owen Motoring Club (OMC) should hand over their database for the BRM build numbers.

Well lets do something productive as a team.

If we can, every member of the club, can write a message in this post, and sign it, we shall send the petition to the OMC, lets see if we can get 100 petitions eh?

Come on, take 2 minutes of your time to help other members.

The penny finaly dropped for me when a new member came on today, and ask us how to find out the build number!

Why should they have to pay money to another club that don't understand peoples thoughts.

The previous owners where always nice, and they would have done anything to help, and had they been running it still, we would probably have a database with all the BRM build numbers.


Thanks for listening, and i hope you find it in your orange, or green or silver as it is, to sign this petition and write a small paragraph teling us why you think its not right for them not to be freely available :D

Thanks

James

[The Youngsta]

The whole idea of OMC owning the database and not letting you see this without paying, is totaly obserd, and ridiculous.

We have a right to have access to all the details of our cars, surely we should get the right to our build number of the model too.

But you can't get it anywhere, OMC and Rover are the only people with access to it anymore, Rover dont let you have it, and OMC charge you to see it!

I'm fully up for it!

Signed: James Tucker

[The Youngsta]

i just found out my mum has these details, but she cant give them to us, she was deemed to secrecy by OMC, hoe pethetic

[Adam]

I understand your viewpoint James but to be honest theres not much that can be done. Most of you know my views on this subject and its largely Rovers fault for not providing them with the cars in the first place.

I honestly believe that they should be free to owners, but as the BRM name is still owned by the Runery Owen Organisation and as they hold the list then its up to them what they do with/charge for it.

I've often thought about applying to become the BRM laison for their club, but I would just feel duty bound to give the numbers out for free so there's too much of a conflict in that respect.

Just my rambling thoughts.

[Adam]

i just found out my mum has these details, but she cant give them to us, she was deemed to secrecy by OMC, hoe pethetic

:(

[rovamota]

Agreed. To use this information as a carrot to join the OMC is unfair. As fewer BRM's are now on the road it's more important than ever that this info should be free and accessible to every owner of a BRM.

Signed: Kevin Davis.

[rovamota]

i just found out my mum has these details, but she cant give them to us, she was deemed to secrecy by OMC, hoe pethetic
I got my BN for my first BRM via email simply by asking Mat Smith directly, as he had all the details. Surely we should be able to email someone at OMC and they reply with the details. It's not a exactly endangering National Security is it?

Kev.

[The Youngsta]

Agreed. To use this information as a carrot to join the OMC is unfair. As fewer BRM's are now on the road it's more important than ever that this info should be free and accessible to every owner of a BRM.

Signed: Kevin Davis.

Thank-you for your support.
It just completley annoys the hell out of me, and something really does need to be done about it.

Its two laws contridicting eachother, one being, the law states your allowed access to any details about your vehicle, the other, your not allowed access to other people information without express permission from the owner of it. Im working on my Mum as we speak!

Hopefuly she will see sence

[Frekkel]

plan b, if your mother's not home, look for the list and take a copie, that way it's not her fault.

[Frekkel]

and she still ow me a favour for translating a text and bringing her on the great idea to visit belgium :)

[slhhughes]

Unfortunately I agree with Adam in that as they own the rights to the name then they can charge for the build number.

However I do find it as annoying as everyone else that they have to charge to basically join their site (the build number being an incentive) as there doesn't appear any other reason to join the club.

Surely the fact that we all want to keep these cars on the road and find out how many are left shows we want to retain the heritage which is what the BRM is about.

Steve

[Frekkel]

it's all rovers fault, they had to make a plaque with the build number on, they could do it with the mg f trophy and all the other special editions, why not with the brm??

and why should I pay for the benefits of the OMC? I'm from an other country, like I can come to the meetings and receive the clubs newspaper??

[The Youngsta]

Unfortunately I agree with Adam in that as they own the rights to the name then they can charge for the build number.

However I do find it as annoying as everyone else that they have to charge to basically join their site (the build number being an incentive) as there doesn't appear any other reason to join the club.

Surely the fact that we all want to keep these cars on the road and find out how many are left shows we want to retain the heritage which is what the BRM is about.

Steve


its ok, we all have the option to our own opinion, looks like we are going to get the database soon anyway....so....

[The Youngsta]

it's all rovers fault, they had to make a plaque with the build number on, they could do it with the mg f trophy and all the other special editions, why not with the brm??

and why should I pay for the benefits of the OMC? I'm from an other country, like I can come to the meetings and receive the clubs newspaper??

Hey Fredrick, i just had an idea! You should now insist that you have the newsletter delievered to your door, if your going to pay for it, you should, and also ask them to keep you upto date with meetings, and actualy OMC have arranged 1 meet! 1 poxy meet! and then they gave up!

Im going to keep calm :D

[Frekkel]

but I'm not going to pay my dear ;)

My hope is in your hands

[slhhughes]

its ok, we all have the option to our own opinion, looks like we are going to get the database soon anyway....so....

Believe me mate my opinion is that we should have the database and shouldn't have to pay with it. When I said I agree with Adam I meant that they can charge for it legally, not that I agree with it. Sorry for the misunderstanding mate.

[The Youngsta]

Believe me mate my opinion is that we should have the database and shouldn't have to pay with it. When I said I agree with Adam I meant that they can charge for it legally, not that I agree with it. Sorry for the misunderstanding mate.

Thats fine :D

could you please sign our petition then please, and same to frekkel :) thanks :D

[Frekkel]

actually it's a bit the same with all those owners clubs.
I would also like to be on the twosixties forum to read and tell experiences with the zt, but I also don't wanna pay for meeting info and newsletters that I can't do something with.

[slhhughes]

I think it is unfair for the OMC to use the supply of a cars build number as an incentive to join their club.

This information should be freely available to everyone who has bought a BRM.

Steve Hughes

[The Youngsta]

I think it is unfair for the OMC to use the supply of a cars build number as an incentive to join their club.

This information should be freely available to everyone who has bought a BRM.

Steve Hughes

Thank-you - This is greatly appreciated :D

[The Youngsta]

i regret to say no luck in finding the box, however i have hatched a plan to ask her for some leaflets from the box that she was given, and then i can watch where they put it :D

Happy days :)

[spankyban]

Can someone outline the benifits of joining the OMC group? and also are they maintaining the list, and how do we know they aren't just fiddling it? - with the amount of BRM's on the bay and all quote that they were 'number xxx of 750' is the info from the club genuine?

I would pay to know the build umber if they could provide me with genuine info and let me know where the money was going too..

Other than that send me £5 and i'll blag you a number and print some paper to say congrats...

[The Youngsta]

Can someone outline the benifits of joining the OMC group? and also are they maintaining the list, and how do we know they aren't just fiddling it? - with the amount of BRM's on the bay and all quote that they were 'number xxx of 750' is the info from the club genuine?

I would pay to know the build umber if they could provide me with genuine info and let me know where the money was going too..

Other than that send me £5 and i'll blag you a number and print some paper to say congrats...


The numbers are legit, they own the legal right to BRM, they deffinatly do have all the info, and they are the only people that have it!

My Mum used to do it, but she won't give me the database, so i'm trying to look for it everynight, and i will not give up.

Thanks

James

[Dom]

I'd hope not, that's quite a serious offence!

[evomoose]

Hi all, I think we've been through this a number of times already but.............

Yes OMC do have a list of build numbers

Yes, one of the benefits of joining the 'Rover BRM Owners Club' is that you will recieve a Certificate of Authenticity signed by David Owen stating the build number of your car.

The list is available from a number of sources, Matt Smith being one. It is freely accessible on a number of other websites which are still live though dormant.As usual with a number of these sites, once the car owner sells his car the site is forgotten.

As many of the cars have been through the club at least once it is quite possible when buying one to find that the present owner already has a certificate.

Overseas m/ship of the RBRMOC is possible, in fact there are members in spain & Italy. There is a slightly higher fee to pay to cover postage of m/ship documents & the monthly magazine.

When you join the RBRMOC you also get OMC membership, so two for the price of one. With the OMC m/ship you have the benefits of joining a MSA affiliated club, granted, many RBRM owners have no interest in motorsport but some may. OMC organises a number of social events throughout the year to which all members are welcome. The RBRMOC will organise events, however, support for these has been nil and despite requests to members asking what they want we have yet to recieve anything.

The RBRMOC did appoint a liaison officer to help assist with the organising and promoting of events. Sadly she appears to have dissapeared as we have heard nothing from her for some considerable time.

The RBRMOC / OMC wish to congratulate 'thebrm.co.uk' for its hard work, particularly its founder, in promoting Rover BRM's and also wish it every success in the future with organising of events etc.

There is no reason why the 'official' Owners Club and 'thebrm.co.uk' cannot survive side by side and even work together. Petty slagging off of OMC is childish and will achieve nothing other than to antagonise people.

[The Youngsta]

WOW, looks like i got told :S

Give us the name of a site then, that has the details available.

I can't be bothered to argue with any of that, most is correct anyway

[slhhughes]

I disagree that people are slagging off the OMC. We are just curious to know the benefits of joining an MSA affilitated club if there are (unfortunately) no events organised. I would think that anyone who is interested in motorsport events (I am coincidently) would join a local club (ie less travelling).

I mean as good as a car as the BRM is, it's never going to compete with other 1800cc cars on a hill climb or sprint is it looking at elises, caterhams etc so it is more a car for enthusiasts or track days.

Therefore it would appear that the OMC is catering for the minority rather than the enthusiasts who seem to be getting charged just for a build number.

If anything I have said is incorrect please let me know.

[evomoose]

Re: Slagging off OMC - Not only in this thread but in previous threads usually along the lines of how terrible the club is for RBRM owners, nothing organised for them, nothing in the magazine, holding build numbers to ransom etc.

OMC originally set up the Owners Club because they have a historical link with BRM and at the time there was no other club (still isn't really). OMC put a fair amount of money into producing a number of items, merchandise etc. From the outset they had a reasonable amount of members, however, very few were active. Events were organised and some were quite successful but most were not supported. They asked the owners what they wanted and from the very few replies it was information on the cars and more regional events as most didn't want to drive far.

The information side of things is very difficult as that comes mainly from the experiences of running the cars but once again apathy rules and no-one wanted to supply info. On the events note, regional events were organised but they were hardly supported at all.

OMC & the RBRMOC are very willing to organise any event the members ask for but until that information is recieved it is very difficult.

The world wide web and internet forums has made all car clubs question their existance, however, there are still enough people generally who would rather meet fellow enthusiasts in person and be active in club matters to keep clubs together.

Perhaps one of the main benefits of car club membership is the fact that the club has the financial backing to organise and promote or attend costly events. No disrespect to this forum but I doubt it could (or rather would like) to be able to invest the necessary cash up front to host events. Until the attendees repay any costs outlayed the organiser has to foot all bills, something an internet forum would find hard to do.

[The Youngsta]

at the time there was no other club (still isn't really).


I disagree, 'thebrm.co.uk' is more involved in the BRM than any other club presently in action.

And regarding the meets, its funny you say this, as we have asked many of a time if they would, and they refused, saying no-body goes to them, after doing one meet which happened to be unsuccesful, probably due to location, time and weather! They can't just back down after one attemp, some of our meets arn't great, but everytime we pick up and carry on.

Looks like i have started a debate here :joker:

[evomoose]

So, 'thebrm.co.uk' is now a club???????

I don't disagree that this forum is more involved, I said club!

As I said, all RBRMOC members can partake in any OMC event, not one showed for any of the social events we organised in the previous 12 months.

When the club pays out money to organise an event then no-one shows interest it is very difficult to justify the effort in organising more.

I think you know there has been more than 1 event that was unsuccessful, however, you are correct in saying that the club should not give up because of that.

Location? Time? Weather?

What do you suggest..............the club has tried to organise events in the Midlands, The North, South and East............not tried Wales yet. All no interest.

Time????

Weather..........sorry, no control over this.

[Frekkel]

try a big happening on the old rover factory site, togheter with the zr club, the tf club, the 75 club, the sd1 club... for the 10 year aniversary of the brm.

or try to do something in the rest off europe for the foreign brm owners ;)

[Adam]

Right, I'm ending this here. We've heard both sides of the argument and I wont have this forum turned into an 'us' versus 'them' debate.

As i've said many a time I will continue to organise events under theBRM.co.uk name whether people attend or not.

I will continue my never-ending search for a copy of the build number database and if I ever find one I WILL give them out for free as I feel it is the right of every Rover BRM driver to know what number their car is/was.

This forum WILL continue to be a dedicated resource for Rover BRM enthusiasts run out of my pocket at no expense to the members (and yes I do find it very hard to afford sometimes).

Hope that allays any fears that people have but for now were not going anywhere :D

Adam

[The Youngsta]

wow go Adam, looking down on it, he has got a point, this is a bit lame, us having a big argument over OMC. Lets just do as Adam says, drop it and if the oppurtunity comes up to get the database take it, until then i agree with Adam.

However Frekkel, I LOVE that Idea, it would be a great idea, do go ahead and PM me mate, and we should see if the both of us can flitter between us all and see what we can do :)

Thanks

James